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Anonymous November 1, 2009

PLEASE HELP! I WANT MY 4TH GRADER TO SUCCEED.

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I am so frustrated I don't know what to do. I have a 4th grader who is so forgetful and academically he's doing very poorly. He's been diagnosed with having ADHD but I honestly don't think he has it. In school, he forgets to bring his HW home, does bad on most tests, doesn't turn in his classwork, acts silly and is unable to focus in class. After the first quarter, he had all F's and it's heartbreaking. He knows the work because he gets mostly all of his answers right when we work together, he has a personal tutor who he does great with but when he gets to school it's a disaster!

We're currently in process of having him tested for any disabilities as well as special education (which now I'm wondering if that was the smartest choice). I feel like the school is letting us down because as a parent, I'm doing all that I can. I really need some advice or suggestions. Please help me.
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healthy11
healthy11 November 2, 2009
Japrynge, the school should be testing your son for learning disabilities, which in turn, help determine if he's eligible for special education services.
It sounds to me like your son is actually getting a 3-yr-reevaluation, since he's been on an IEP since 1st grade, and so he's already been determined to have special ed needs.
Testing of young children is often considered more variable than that of older children (for example, few schools would expect a 1st grader to write well, but by 4th grade, testing might show SLDs in written expression) and also by re-evaluating, you'll have concrete data that shows if he's improved or regressed. (Although if he's getting F's in all his classes, it's pretty obvious that whatever goals/methodologies stated in his IEP were ineffective, and so maybe they weren't addressing his underlying problems, because you didn't really know what all the problems were.)
I have to say that if a child has ADHD, it really is important to treat that condition first, because the best tutors/instructors in the world, using the best methods, still won't be as effective in teaching a child if they can't focus on what's being taught. Studies show ADHD is related to an imbalance in the brain neurotransmitters, particularly dopamine, and their levels are not something a person can control just by "trying harder." Medication is often helpful, however. Once a child can focus, then they often can absorb what they're being taught.
No two children with ADHD are going to be exactly the same, but I think Heather08 makes some important points in this discussion (even though the original poster's child sounds even more extreme than your son or mine): community.greatschools.net/groups/11554/discussion/645243?cpage=1#comment_670135
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TeacherParent November 2, 2009
If the testing comes back with results you don't like, you have the right to tell them not to put it in his file. Testing a student who is having academic difficulty is the normal course of events - I don't know another route to go particularly as you've already hired a tutor.

Doing well in school these days involves more than just knowing the answers to questions. There's a rather large process to modern education. Even a student who might get 100s on every test might not get straight As if they don't bring homework home, do it and bring it back the next day. Homework has come to take on a life of its own in modern education and it's easily as important to success in school as is knowing the answers.
Schools can let you down though they never admit they are. Ultimately you care far more about your child than does any school - that's only natural. Schools have many children to watch over - always keep your guard up when dealing with a school.

Some things that might help would be a class website where the teacher lists the nightly homework. A 'homework buddy' might help your son - another child in the class who helps him to stay organized at school. You or the tutor going through his backpack with him every night to help him stay organized at home would be essential.

But you're really describing a cluster of problems - not just one and they all suggest a lack of focus. When asked, what does your son offer as an explanation for his silly behavior in school? And for his forgetfullness?

My own sons did have ADHD as well as learning differences and we got through it and got them through school but it wasn't always easy. Good luck to you and your son.
Japrynge
Japrynge November 1, 2009
He is being evaluated by the school. Unfortunately, I'm not in a position to homeschool him. The IEP's that the school and I come up with are not at all effective. We've been doing this since he's been in the 1st grade. So in this case, what's next? Yes, the evaluation should be completed by next week. When the school tests him to see if he's eligible for special education, are they also testing for learning disabilities at the same time? Or is it something completely different that I need to ask for?

Thank you for your feedback.
healthy11
healthy11 November 1, 2009
Hello. As the parent of a teen who has ADHD as well as LDs, I would be very surprised if your son wasn't dealing with the same issues. I'm not sure what reason you say you honestly don't think he has ADHD, because so much of what you describe are "classic" behaviors of a student with attentional difficulties. Most, if not all, students with ADHD also have Executive Function difficulties, and again, what you describe are typical problems in the way of forgetting to bring HW home, not turning it in, etc.
You can learn more at sites like www.help4adhd.org

ADHD is considered a medical condition, and schools can't diagnose medical issues, but they can evaluate for suspected LDs. Approximately half of all children with ADHD also have LDs.

When you say that you are currently in process of having your son tested, is he being evaluated by the school, or by a private evaluator? When you get the results, if you would be willing to post them in Greatschools Learning and Attention Difficulties Group at community.greatschools.net/groups/11554, several of us can help you interpret the scores.

One-on-one, when a child isn't as distracted by other kids around them, it is easier to focus on homework, so I'm not at all surprised that working with a tutor is better for your son. If you're in a position to homeschool, that would be one way to address his needs, but if the testing that's being done shows actual learning disabilities, then the public school must offer FAPE (free, appropriate public education) and your son should have his needs addressed and remediation provided through an IEP (individual education plan.) First, though, it does sound like you really need to have the evaluation completed, so you know what your son is really dealing with.

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