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We tried "ignore, ignore," we tried "staying 5 ft away", we tried going to the new counselor....DISASTER!!! although last year's was great, we tried going to the teacher also a disaster, but not going to the principal because then it becomes a liability-driven "bully" thing, we tried getting the girls to support each other when the "mean one or ones" act up...something that is particularly hard for them to do and we tried communicating with the other moms.

The bottom line is that any or all of these things may or may not work in with any one girl, group of girls, teacher or counselor.  Every situation differs just enough to throw you off.  Last year, going to the teacher and/or counselor would have resolved things.  This year, in fourth grade, both "professionals" made things worse, for everyone.  I will say that trying to stay in touch with the other moms is good, but at the end of the day...each mom tends to believe the other kid is more at fault.  And that makes sense, our girls come home "crying" with their version of what happened and somewhere in the middle is the reality.  I've been caught in the middle with a friend knowing her daughter did things, but not being able to tell her she's being lied too.  I've got to just wait it out.

If your girl is in second grade, it is just the beginning.  Don't hope that after this year it will get better, or that the teachers or school will fix it.  They expect girls to just "get along."  They chaulk it up to "all girls are this way" (which is demeaning to our gender in my opinion) and don't offer strategies or roll play, just generalized talk to the whole class about "getting along." 

If I were you, I'd begin by reading Odd Girl Out and other books on the subject and get a list of strategies for your daughter to use on her own that fit with your value system.  Role play the situations with her because knowing them in her head and using them in the "heat of the moment" are two different things.  This way, by the time things get really nasty (middle school), she will have practiced during elementary and be prepared for the big leagues.

Finally, count on the fact that she may be switching friends a lot.  When it hits the fan, you'd be surprised who sticks by her and who doesn't.

 

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michellea
michellea August 26, 2008
Re: mean girls: the long haul
In addition to Odd Girl Out (both the film and book), Queen Bees and Wanna Bees is a must read for any parent of a 5th grade or older duaghter.

Mean girls come in many disguises. Some are worse than others. Queen Bee's can help you to understand what is driving their behavior so that you can employ a reasonable strategy.

With instant communication: IM, Facebook, texting, I think that the mean ones can do damage quickly.
therose
therose August 17, 2008
Re: mean girls: the long haul
I have been a parent for over 30 years, watching bullying that has become a major problem in today's society. My youngest, has been a victim of far too many bullies. Verbal abuse is the least of her problems. Even though it is reported by my child to the school, what often happens is my child will have to face them in the small community. So, what the bullies could not do at school, it was finished in town.
As a parent, I have tried every route to put an end to this bullying resulting in a short respite, until it starts up again. The girls just switch tactics. My child has to watch her back at all times, I will drive her to where ever she wants to go, and even drives that are a short walking distance away. Even making the honor list did not stop it. Actually, it made it worse since the girl bullies thought that my child should be taken down a peg or two because they thought my LD child was too dumb to make the honor list.
The school has been ineffective in dealing with this. The strategies that have been used have been ineffective as well. The only strategy that is effective is calling the police. But that one has its problems, since I will have to deal with the parents of the bullies. Sometimes, that is not a pretty picture nor easy to handle effectively.
What is really needed to put a dent into bullying are social skills starting as early as pre-school days. I have found that parents who are thirty-something or younger are bullies themselves in the small community that I live in. There is bullies raising bullies, and have no concept of what is decent civil behaviour. Parents who are convinced that their child has the right to respond because my child would not lend them a pencil or give them her homework to copy the answers.
Social skills, should be put back inside the schools, as well as into the communities. When I went to school, if a girl or a boy called anybody a name, the teacher would take the time to lecture the whole class on the evils of name calling. Sometimes, if the offense was considered serious - the whole class had afterschool detention doing one big arithmetic problem that must be completed before leaving. The boy or girl who did the offending, was usually shunned for a few days by the other students, before everything went back to normal. What happen was I and the other students have been taught what is decent behaviour, how to handle situations that we disagree on, and come to the rescue of others who are being pick on or is in danger. This was in the time where there was no bullying programs. The schools and the community expected decent behaviour from children.
Nowadays, people mind their own business, including schools, churches, businesses where one of the negative effects are bullying since people are left to solve the problem without the backing of the community.
cocoa1
cocoa1 July 13, 2008
Re: mean girls: the long haul
To the person that thinks you should move away. Why? NO one should be treated badley and the parents should take their blinders off
Stardust
Stardust July 7, 2008
Re: mean girls: the long haul
As a former junior high assistant principal, I helped correct many, many bullying behaviors. Key, key, key to resolving the issue is helping the victim understand that the bullying will continue FOR AWHILE and the victim has to not give up but continue to report until the consequence for the bullier works. Also key is for the victim, and her or his parents, to understand that the adult cannot "simply" take one person's side of a story on the first report and will generally not administer the most severe discipline for a first infraction (obviously, the severity of the bullying is taken into account, but, generally, punishments are progressively more severe). I spent a LOT of time explaining to a victim that 1) I believed her, 2) that the bully was going to deny it, 3) that the victim needed to be there when I talked to the bully, 4) that the victim was being stronger than the bully to be stopping something that we all know is wrong, 5) that the bully would probably threaten the victim as soon as she/he was out of my sight, and 6) that the victim HAD to march right back in and tell me OR the behavior would probably not change. I am making this simple for the sake of brevity, but I can say that this does work. I always followed up with the student after days and weeks if I did not hear from her/him. When a police officer sees a speeder whom she/he just ticketed the week before, the officer doesn't think, "This isn't working" and give up. Bullies aren't just going to stop their bad behavior based on one warning or detention or call home, especially if/when the parents defend the bully. Victims and their parents can't give up when one ticket ... or two ... or three doesn't solve the problem. Occasionally a speeder follows the law after a warning ... but hard core speeders need to lose their driving privileges. Bullies, as well, come in all degrees. Don't give up, or the bully wins.
Conniev
Conniev June 26, 2008
Re: mean girls: the long haul
One way to help protect all children from bullying in an elementary school is to have a no tolerance for bullying rule that is strictly enforced by principal, teachers, classified school staff, volunteers, parents, and students. If anyone feels they are being bullied or any bystander witnesses someone being bullied they should find the nearest school personnel and make them aware of the situation so they can carefully listen and observe what is happening as they approach the situation. Then without making any more of a scene escort the parties involved to the principal's office and privately advise the principal of what the bystander told you, and then what you heard and observed. Then the principal can bring the parties involved in together and ask each party to write down on paper what happened. Before going any further and without scolding any one person you remind all parties about the school rules and what is or is not appropriate behavior. Then from that point the principal can read the parties statements and share with all parties what was witnessed and reported to the principal. If handled correctly you protect the bullied because they didn't tattle and nobody ever actually used the bully label to the party that was behaving inappropriately causing them to react with more violent or aggressive behaviors. There would be many more steps to stomp it out, but I do think it can be accomplished.
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